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Wed, Jan. 5th, 2011, 08:56 pm
pinkyssj4: Spirits or Hallucinations?

When I was younger and still living at my parents' place I'd experience weird encounters. These encounters only happen when I'm extremely ill (like with a flu or something) and feel very weak.

Example #1:
I went home from school due to a stomach flu. I layed on the couch to take a nap. In the middle of my sleep I was awoken by a painful hit to the forehead, like as if someone flicked their finger or threw a rock at me.
I looked around but no one was there. I was alone in the house, I could still feel the pain.

Example #2:
I walked upstairs towards my room and I felt a jab of pain at the back of my neck like as if someone pinched me. I looked around, no one was there. I looked in the mirror and sure enough the area where I felt the jab of pain was slightly pink.

Now... is this all just my imagination or am I more prone to "experience" when I am weakend (really ill).


Thu, Jan. 6th, 2011 04:08 am (UTC)
jesse_dylan

I've never had any experience with entities actually physically harming people. I know it's all over in movies and stories and things. I don't mean to discount it at all, and I certainly don't intend to invalidate your experience; I'm just one of those people who doesn't want to believe spirits/ghosts/whatever can harm us, and I probably wouldn't believe it until one bit me in the bum. :)

That said, a lot of traditional shaman purposefully weaken themselves in order to have visions, from taking drugs to dehydrating themselves to performing something like the Native American Sundance ritual, where pain and exhaustion make all kinds of things happen.

Science might say it's hallucination, but I don't think that makes it any less valid.

So, long story short (sorry for the rambling), I think it is entirely within the realm of possibility that when you're ill, you could be having more experiences. Sometimes it takes that to get us to notice.

But as for your particular experiences, well, I have no experience, nothing to draw upon. If you don't like it, I'd tell them to find a nicer way of communicating with you instead of violence. I find violence unacceptable in all realms.

Don't know if any of this will help at all. Sometimes it's nice just to be taken seriously, so, at the very least, please know I'm taking you seriously!

Thu, Jan. 6th, 2011 04:24 am (UTC)
pinkyssj4

Thanks for replying.
I'm still confused whether or not I was actually hallucinating.
I do talk a lot in my sleep and I am quite physical as well (I kick, scream, and move my arms about). But I haven't slept walk. Unless I don't know about it. Or perhaps I was actually dreaming but didn't realize it.

I haven't experienced any of this since I moved out of my parents place.
Once I moved out I didn't get sick as often. I have no idea why.

I'm trying to tell myself that they're just hallucinations but at the back of my mind I always think...what if it wasn't?

Thu, Jan. 6th, 2011 04:28 am (UTC)
jesse_dylan

I'm not sure if it's helpful, but who's to say what's a hallucination and what's reality? A lot of what I consider my daily reality, others would consider hallucination.

Maybe all reality is just another form of hallucination.

I suppose I would tend to find logical explanations, like you mentioned whacking yourself in your sleep. When's the last time anything like this happened?

Thu, Jan. 6th, 2011 12:50 pm (UTC)
pinkyssj4

Well the last "physical" movement in my sleep I had has got to be last week when my mom was stressing me out about something.
Usually when I am stressed I move more violently in my sleep.
The second last physical movement has got to be two years ago when I was still living at my parents' place.

But would stress make me see and feel things like this? That's the only other logical and realistic explanation I can think of.

Plus, I have a hard time falling asleep. Maybe lack of sleep would create these kind fo experiences???

Thu, Jan. 6th, 2011 06:44 pm (UTC)
jesse_dylan

I think stress and lack of sleep can definitely cause all kinds of weird things!

Fri, Jan. 7th, 2011 12:46 am (UTC)
pinkyssj4

I guess you're right. Since it all stopped once I moved out.
Ugh, the pains that parents can cause in a person's life :(
I even have quite odd dreams as well, which I've posted in my community journal.
I'd rather dream weird things rather than experience them because at least I can "wake up" from it.

Fri, Jan. 7th, 2011 05:34 am (UTC)
jesse_dylan

I think sometimes that's why we have dreams, you know? To help us deal with stuff that was don't want to think about (if we can help it) when we're awake...

Fri, Jan. 7th, 2011 01:25 pm (UTC)
pinkyssj4

I know. I love dreaming because sometimes I know that I am already asleep and I do cool shtt. LOL
Like flying, telekinesis, cool martial arts stunts that I'll never be able to do in real life because I can't fight if my life counted on it.

But some dreams (if I don't know I'm dreaming... they're more like nightmares) I get all physical and I end up hurting myself.
One time I woke up with a bruise, or a bleeding toe because I kicked the wall so hard my nail chipped.
I've woken up last month from my arms moving violently because I had a dream I was being attacked.

If only we can dream just the good stuff, since life sometimes suck (depends on that day).

Fri, Jan. 7th, 2011 06:52 pm (UTC)
jesse_dylan

Ouch! Yep, even I (a rather light and non-violent sleeper) have had a few doozies. I woke up yelling and crying once, just like in the movies.

Dreams are fascinating things. I might also suggest to you that in some of your favorite dreams, you really are somewhere else, expressing things you're unable to express here on Earth. Maybe it's also a hint at the future. I used to dream I was singing and playing guitar when I was a tyke, and now that's something I do.

I still have dreams I'm playing a piano, so maybe I'll figure that out someday as well :P

Sun, Jan. 9th, 2011 04:59 pm (UTC)
pinkyssj4

I know dreams are a place we go to, to express our feelings we are unable to express in reality.
But if it's hinting something in the future, I wish it were more specific. Like if something bad is going to happen, then have someone in the dream say it. Instead of all these weird things happening and me going through the dream dictionary looking up the symbols. LOL

But I do have wonderful dreams though. That I do not regret having, with this weird imagination of mine.

Sometimes I dream of a certain person that I hate so much and just impossibly beat the crap out of them. That's when I notice I'm lucid dreaming and just continue having fun.

Sun, Jan. 9th, 2011 05:13 pm (UTC)
jesse_dylan

I don't think they're saying anything bad will happen... I'd imagine, like you said, that you're just working out some bad emotions. Hating people and wanting to beat the crap out of them, at least in my experience, brings all kinds of tension, sadness and weakness to one's emotional life. It may feel empowering, but, again, at least in my experience, I've always found hatred and anger to be the opposite of empowerment in the long run and the root of regret and fear.

Tue, Jan. 11th, 2011 03:01 am (UTC)
pinkyssj4

Beating the crap out of them was at least temporarily enjoyable.
I would never be able to do that in reality.
I leave that up to Karma.

Thu, Jan. 6th, 2011 05:16 am (UTC)
linepau1

I don't think it's a hallucination or spirits. This sounds like possibly a muscle spasm.

Or another theory... Have you ever had Shingles? It's something that doesn't normally affect younger people, but I'm only 22 and had them for almost a full month last year. It's basically a remnant of the chicken pox that is sort of activated by stress. I mistook the swelling within the first couple days to be pimples and broke them open. When they healed they left scars and these scars actually begin to hurt a couple days before I am sick and through till I am better. Some of the pain I experience could be described in a similar way.

Thu, Jan. 6th, 2011 12:46 pm (UTC)
pinkyssj4

Interesting. I did pop some of my chicken pox when I had them as a child but I haven't noticed any connection.
But I haven't experienced it since so now I can't look out for it and test your theory.